(Sorry the following is messy and crammed together – I cut and pasted it out of my e-mails, VERBATIM, I don’t have time to fix it)
Me:
Hi Randall,
I’m sorry I didn’t ask you sooner, but do you understand this, and if so, could you explain it in layman’s terms for my blog?
Juanita Sumner
Randall:
It is a reference document from Item 4.4 in last nights agenda. I had to ask Presson for it, and it took her all weekend to send me a cut-and-paste copy. Then she decided to post it on the agenda site, which makes me wonder if she was legally required to do so.
I’ll ask you sincerely – do you thoroughly read the agenda reports? I try to, but I feel like I need a lawyer to understand this stuff. Can you explain what “3 percent at 50” means, in English?
Thanks, Juanita
Randall:
3% x years of service x final base pay (if at least age 50). I’m certain you’re aware of that already.You didn’t need it as a reference item to complete the agenda discussion. In fact, the 2002 reference is one of the first times I’ve seen the Misc details. They change based on bargaining details, but Chico hasn’t adjusted to that level since before PEPRA. Since PEPRA already mandates a substantially reduced benefit, AND because Miscellaneous rates prior to PEPRA are already quite well known, who needs the reference definitions. I don’t and you shouldn’t either.I’ll be honest in that this seems as though someone’s trying to trip up the Clerk. There is no reason (related to clarity) to have included this doc. The Misc rates are already clear.Randall
No, I sincerely don’t understand the formula, I don’t think most of the public understand this stuff.
Trying to trip up the clerk? Randall, I am making an honest attempt to understand how this city racked up $184 million pension deficit, and you’re accusing me of trying to “trip up the clerk”?
I’ll be honest – I think somebody is trying to trip up the taxpayers, the voters, and keep the general public, who make less than $40,000/year, in the dark as to how we are constantly being put on the hook for these outrageous pensions.
Thanks though, for the discussion, I’m not accusing you of anything, but the city is in a mess, and it looks like council just threw gas on the fire.
Juanita
Randall:
Perhaps, but the Council obviously didn’t throw gas on a 2002 document referenced by ***every single Misc position offered for employment by the City***.
I have referenced these rates before with your public acknowledgement of your awareness of these formulas. You’ve independently referenced these formulas in your blog over the years as well. Numerous articles reference this formula as well including articles I’m certain you’ve read. Other cities and counties make the reference to their formulas in every employee contract or offer of employment, including even references to positions that are being added in *any* California community (i.e. When Glenn County opens a new position, they list these formula rates in the posting of the position. So does Butte, Tehama, all 58 of them, and all 482 municipalities). I’m not sure a 2002 reference to Misc rates, Pre-PEPRA no less, was misunderstood or not understood. Sure, simply citing the formulas is just as easy. But if you were looking for a wet signature page to castigate those Aye votes over 15 years ago, then yes, it is a relevant reference. I’m not interested in who to blame pushing two decades ago. I’m interested in the fix, and that fix right now.
If the Clerk’s inclusion to the Item 4.4 was beneficial to you, great. That would be the reason the Clerk would include it in the revised agenda packet. That seems entirely prudent since you requested it. But there are literally hundreds of other documents that have referenced this detail (read: the rates are quite well known. I don’t need the 1978 reading of Proposition 13 to understand where property tax rates are. If someone on the Council needed that reference, I’d say they shouldn’t be on the Council. But if a member of the public is unclear about that detail, I’d say the Clerk should include it.
I’m not one to defend the Clerk – she fights her own battles. But this one is a pitch in the dirt for information you already had.
Randall
a “pitch into the dirt for information you already had...” What kind of trash talk is that?
Me: (from my phone, as I was doing chores in my tenant’s yard)


